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	<title>Comments on: Roman Polanski, It&#8217;s Not the 1970&#8217;s Anymore. Thank God.</title>
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		<title>By: Tania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 22:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Penny do you want to blindly follow a law (the law also used to make legal to own one or more black slaves) or reason with our own mind in a rational way? A teen is not a child, period. This definition doesn&#039;t depend on law but on mother nature. Age of majority is an human invention that have been changing from culture to culture without a clear reason. But puberty, sexual maturity and cognitive potential are facts. Read Robert Epstein studies and you will see that from a scientific point of view a 40 something adult is not intrinsically any better or any worse at making mature and responsible choices than a 14 year old.

You&#039;re doing exactly what this article is condemming, caring about the age rather than about the circumstance. As if in the case the girl was 23 the sex would have been less abusive, as if what makes sex abusive is not the abusive situation per se but the age of the woman (yes, because a teen is a woman a young woman at that but a full blown woman) 

This is also disrespectful of the maturity of teens and their right to make choices about their life and their body. The girl chose and the choice was a no. Not respecting that &quot;no&quot; is what abuse is all about and the whole situation wouldn&#039;t been less abusive if instead of a girl Polanski had abused a woman of his own age. 

But what is the choice of the girl was a &quot;yes&quot;? Recently I read an article on scarleteen where the author write to have had sex at age 14 with a man of 30 and not regretting it, developing a strong friendship with this person and never suffering the popular-imagination negative consequences.
I read an article by a sexologist that pointed out that the only way to teach a young person that one has a right to say &quot;no&quot; to the unwanted sex, it&#039;s also teaching that one has a right to say &quot;yes&quot; to the sex one wants. This infantilization of young adults just play to the hands of abusers, rapers and all people who can exploit a situation in which we have robbed the ability to choose from a person.

The more we focus on an irrelevant fact as as age (expecially when we consider the same person unable to choose about her body but perfectly able to choose about right and wrong and hence legally imputable for a crime... talk about double standard!) the less we are able to protect young woman who are physically women and naturally wired to have sexual desires and feelings.

If we say to them that they have a right to choose about their body, that they are sexually mature and that when they&#039;re being abused or molested they have a right like any other woman to denounce the fact and protect themselves then we might obtain sensible results against abuse and pro women rights. If we say to them that they&#039;re children, that they should beware of strangers, that they should never think of sex and that they should not denounce molestations to the police like any other woman would do but just teel mommy and daddy (in other words if we have with them the same sort of dialogue about sex we would have with a 6 years old little girl) then they will never understand how becoming a woman, how having developed a woman body have changed their responsability over their own body and their sexual choices and they will never understand the risks they must protect themselves from.

I have known girls who had been getting their periods for more than a year and still didn&#039;t know anything about their body, about what does that mean, about how come the males in the classroom were more attracted to them and made more sexual comments about them (that&#039;s nature folks, every human being has a &quot;radar&quot; for sexual maturity) and their parents still were treating them like small children, treating them in a childish way and talking to them in a childish way. I&#039;m the only one who understand the danger of having a person developing a potential (and with that come responsabilities and duties) and still censoring the knowledge of that potential? To me that&#039;s like, hypothetically, giving a person a remote control without telling him that remote control controls the detonation of a bomb, the knowledge of which would result in more care, more attention and better informed choices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Penny do you want to blindly follow a law (the law also used to make legal to own one or more black slaves) or reason with our own mind in a rational way? A teen is not a child, period. This definition doesn&#8217;t depend on law but on mother nature. Age of majority is an human invention that have been changing from culture to culture without a clear reason. But puberty, sexual maturity and cognitive potential are facts. Read Robert Epstein studies and you will see that from a scientific point of view a 40 something adult is not intrinsically any better or any worse at making mature and responsible choices than a 14 year old.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re doing exactly what this article is condemming, caring about the age rather than about the circumstance. As if in the case the girl was 23 the sex would have been less abusive, as if what makes sex abusive is not the abusive situation per se but the age of the woman (yes, because a teen is a woman a young woman at that but a full blown woman) </p>
<p>This is also disrespectful of the maturity of teens and their right to make choices about their life and their body. The girl chose and the choice was a no. Not respecting that &#8220;no&#8221; is what abuse is all about and the whole situation wouldn&#8217;t been less abusive if instead of a girl Polanski had abused a woman of his own age. </p>
<p>But what is the choice of the girl was a &#8220;yes&#8221;? Recently I read an article on scarleteen where the author write to have had sex at age 14 with a man of 30 and not regretting it, developing a strong friendship with this person and never suffering the popular-imagination negative consequences.<br />
I read an article by a sexologist that pointed out that the only way to teach a young person that one has a right to say &#8220;no&#8221; to the unwanted sex, it&#8217;s also teaching that one has a right to say &#8220;yes&#8221; to the sex one wants. This infantilization of young adults just play to the hands of abusers, rapers and all people who can exploit a situation in which we have robbed the ability to choose from a person.</p>
<p>The more we focus on an irrelevant fact as as age (expecially when we consider the same person unable to choose about her body but perfectly able to choose about right and wrong and hence legally imputable for a crime&#8230; talk about double standard!) the less we are able to protect young woman who are physically women and naturally wired to have sexual desires and feelings.</p>
<p>If we say to them that they have a right to choose about their body, that they are sexually mature and that when they&#8217;re being abused or molested they have a right like any other woman to denounce the fact and protect themselves then we might obtain sensible results against abuse and pro women rights. If we say to them that they&#8217;re children, that they should beware of strangers, that they should never think of sex and that they should not denounce molestations to the police like any other woman would do but just teel mommy and daddy (in other words if we have with them the same sort of dialogue about sex we would have with a 6 years old little girl) then they will never understand how becoming a woman, how having developed a woman body have changed their responsability over their own body and their sexual choices and they will never understand the risks they must protect themselves from.</p>
<p>I have known girls who had been getting their periods for more than a year and still didn&#8217;t know anything about their body, about what does that mean, about how come the males in the classroom were more attracted to them and made more sexual comments about them (that&#8217;s nature folks, every human being has a &#8220;radar&#8221; for sexual maturity) and their parents still were treating them like small children, treating them in a childish way and talking to them in a childish way. I&#8217;m the only one who understand the danger of having a person developing a potential (and with that come responsabilities and duties) and still censoring the knowledge of that potential? To me that&#8217;s like, hypothetically, giving a person a remote control without telling him that remote control controls the detonation of a bomb, the knowledge of which would result in more care, more attention and better informed choices.</p>
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		<title>By: AmyLeigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmyLeigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 15:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to share an interesting documentary that shines a light on early Hollywood and the hidden culture of sexual abuse, specifically of underage girls. You can watch the film, Girl 27, for free on snagfilms.com, it definitely underscores the current issue with Polanski, but makes it all the more sad that we haven&#039;t come farther and too many look the other way.
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/girl_27/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to share an interesting documentary that shines a light on early Hollywood and the hidden culture of sexual abuse, specifically of underage girls. You can watch the film, Girl 27, for free on snagfilms.com, it definitely underscores the current issue with Polanski, but makes it all the more sad that we haven&#8217;t come farther and too many look the other way.<br />
<a href="http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/girl_27/" rel="nofollow">http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/girl_27/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Penny Hastings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penny Hastings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adult sex with a child is against the law...period. Whether it was in the 70&#039;s or now. Polanski has not be &#039;punished enough.&#039; His history is very sad...true. His talent is great...true. He raped a 13-year-old child...true. He needs to be held responsibile...not only for child-rape but for fleeing the country to avoid his punishment. What are people thinking?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adult sex with a child is against the law&#8230;period. Whether it was in the 70&#8217;s or now. Polanski has not be &#8216;punished enough.&#8217; His history is very sad&#8230;true. His talent is great&#8230;true. He raped a 13-year-old child&#8230;true. He needs to be held responsibile&#8230;not only for child-rape but for fleeing the country to avoid his punishment. What are people thinking?</p>
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		<title>By: Willful Woman</title>
		<link>http://womensvoicesforchange.org/roman-polanski-its-not-the-1970s-anymore-thank-god.htm/comment-page-1#comment-13876</link>
		<dc:creator>Willful Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You rock! Thank you for writing this! 
I hope Whoopi gets the whole story and retracts what she said. She&#039;s usually a wise woman. 
I have been so disgusted with how this has been playing out in the media and in Hollywood. But I guess it&#039;s no surprise that Hollywood is ready to sweep this child rape case under the rug. Sexualization of children is rampant on the big and small screen. And we all know how Hollywood values women, in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You rock! Thank you for writing this!<br />
I hope Whoopi gets the whole story and retracts what she said. She&#8217;s usually a wise woman.<br />
I have been so disgusted with how this has been playing out in the media and in Hollywood. But I guess it&#8217;s no surprise that Hollywood is ready to sweep this child rape case under the rug. Sexualization of children is rampant on the big and small screen. And we all know how Hollywood values women, in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Lombardi Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lombardi Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 22:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oriana - From what I can tell Nicholson has shrugged  it off - and so did Angelica Huston, who walked in on the scene in the jacuzzi and walked out.

Kate Harding today &lt;a href=http://jezebel.com/5372261/are-anti+polanski-celebs-afraid-to-speak-up?skyline=true&amp;s=i rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; asked the some of the same questions you did&lt;/a&gt; on Jezebel.com. I keep waiting for some female A-lister to wake up and shake things up. Jodie Foster? Eliza Dushku? Hell, even Jane Fonda, who still must have the ear of her ex Ted Turner.

Thanks a lot for caring about this.I know it&#039;s not the most burning issue out there, but it&#039;s disheartening to see so many behaving so badly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oriana &#8211; From what I can tell Nicholson has shrugged  it off &#8211; and so did Angelica Huston, who walked in on the scene in the jacuzzi and walked out.</p>
<p>Kate Harding today <a href=http://jezebel.com/5372261/are-anti+polanski-celebs-afraid-to-speak-up?skyline=true&#038;s=i rel="nofollow"> asked the some of the same questions you did</a> on Jezebel.com. I keep waiting for some female A-lister to wake up and shake things up. Jodie Foster? Eliza Dushku? Hell, even Jane Fonda, who still must have the ear of her ex Ted Turner.</p>
<p>Thanks a lot for caring about this.I know it&#8217;s not the most burning issue out there, but it&#8217;s disheartening to see so many behaving so badly.</p>
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		<title>By: Oriana</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oriana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was born in 1977. I had no idea any of this had happened because by time I was 13 years old it had, oddly and conveniently enough, dropped out of site and out of mind.
(13= old enough to know about the possibility of adults abusing their power and to pray that something like that would never happen to me, but not old enough to consent to sex with a 40-something year old man, I believe, BTW)

So all this time everyone else knew-- they may not have remembered, but anyone &quot;of age&quot; in the 70&#039;s knows/knew. Add to that the fact that now some of the coolest indie and even not-so-indie filmmakers are leading the charge to &quot;free the rapist,&quot; I mean, Polanski. Is my fragile young girl mind too female, too uncool, too unHollywood to understand? I don&#039;t get it. I mean, I really don&#039;t get it. 

...and, this happened at Jack Nicholson&#039;s house? Where was Mr. Nicholson and what did/does he have to say about all of this? 

Does money really buy this kind of power? And why does the media refuse to talk about the power dynamics here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was born in 1977. I had no idea any of this had happened because by time I was 13 years old it had, oddly and conveniently enough, dropped out of site and out of mind.<br />
(13= old enough to know about the possibility of adults abusing their power and to pray that something like that would never happen to me, but not old enough to consent to sex with a 40-something year old man, I believe, BTW)</p>
<p>So all this time everyone else knew&#8211; they may not have remembered, but anyone &#8220;of age&#8221; in the 70&#8217;s knows/knew. Add to that the fact that now some of the coolest indie and even not-so-indie filmmakers are leading the charge to &#8220;free the rapist,&#8221; I mean, Polanski. Is my fragile young girl mind too female, too uncool, too unHollywood to understand? I don&#8217;t get it. I mean, I really don&#8217;t get it. </p>
<p>&#8230;and, this happened at Jack Nicholson&#8217;s house? Where was Mr. Nicholson and what did/does he have to say about all of this? </p>
<p>Does money really buy this kind of power? And why does the media refuse to talk about the power dynamics here?</p>
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		<title>By: Billie Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billie Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 21:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, friend, and I hope well-read!</description>
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